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Here (http://miva.sctimes.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?CMN/Opinion/feedback.mv+20040225033210+4+4) is a thread from our local newspaper about gay marriage. It is very long and full of utter stupidity.

What I can't understand is, if people don't like the thought of gay marriage, then they shouldn't marry a gay and/or they shouldn't think about it. It is not anyone's business but gay people.

Keep government out of our bedrooms.

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IN case you are wondering who the hell I am, I am saava's mother.

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Hi Saava's mom! You raised one talented kid. :)

-Random Person

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And she's cute and funny too! And very smart, and clever, and. . . I am her mom. Makes me happy.

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And you're from St. Cloud. Wow. I lived there for 10 years. Did the whole High School thing and everything. I still go back for Christmas. ;)

-Bree

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Cool. Where did you go to high school? Are you the one who used to live by us?

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I don't know if I lived by you... *g* I went to Middle School in Sartell, and then went to High School and St. John's Prep. Then I ran away and moved to Alabama.

-Bree

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We live over by the old Holy Spirit. Someone saava knows on LiveJournal lives about two or three blocks away.

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I have discussed it with Saava, and turns out that she knows some of my best friends, including the girl who's going to be my maid of honor in my wedding in July.

What a small little internet world. :D

-Bree

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hello Saava's mom! ^_^

I think the problem is that the majority of this country is Christian.. and most of those Christians are crazed and are trying to impose their beliefs on everyone else - the major one being that homosexuality is a sin and that if homosexuals are allowed to be "married," which is a "sacred union," then that would be tainting their belief system.

Feh.

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I am hoping that it is a very vocal minority that reacts the way the people on that thread did.

We used to live in the Chicago area when I was growing up. When we moved here, in the late 60s, it was lily white, and in the town of Sauk Rapids, Minnesota, the Catholics and Lutherans barely spoke.

I don't think Christianity in itself is so bad. I consider myself to be agnostic, but if the Christians would just listen to the words of Christ in the Bible, something like "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you," and "Love they neighbor as thyself," that's all anyone ever needs. It is the Ten Commandments condensed into two.

Sadly, the very vocal Christian Right seems to "Do unto others like me. . ." and "love my neighbor who thinks, looks and acts like me."

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely (here (http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/meanings/22900.html) is a more accurate quote). Truly religious people can be very good people, but organized religion preys on our strongest instincts and fears (sex and death) and tells us if we don't believe a certain way, and act a certain way, we will burn in hell forever.

I don't think Christ ever said that. And I don't think Christ would approve of hating or ostracizing a whole group of people based on their sexual orientation.

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((note sweeping generalizations... I don't hate all of them, really. most of my good friends are some sort of Christian denomination))

I'm not very religious, certainly not Christian - my family is Buddhist and I have pagan tendencies. I also attended Roman Catholic schools for 11 years, so I know the ins and outs pretty well.

I agree with you about Jesus not approving of the hate mongering that's going on today. That's definitely not the message he was spreading and his main goal was to take religion away from the temples and the figureheads and bring it back to the people - less ritual, more love.

If the Christians crying foul would just take a step back and see what they're doing -- how far away they are from Jesus' message -- maybe they'd just shut up and let people be. Instead they wave the Bible around and persecute those who the Bible says are sinners. The only people being hurt in this situation are the gay couples and their families who are constantly being attacked for trying to just live their lives.

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If you get a chance to read that thread, or ever visit the Times Story Chat, you might find that the religious right representatives carefully select scripture to support the way they want to believe: hating homosexuals, not helping the poor, etc.

They quote lots of Old Testament scripture and less New Testament scripture, which I find interesting since, from what I learned, Jesus came to establish a different kind of church. And they quote lots from Paul and few of the words of Christ himself, like the ones I mentioned, and the Beatitudes, etc.

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I read the thread. It's interesting how "a student" was only able to throw random links and quote things but unable to interact with people and have an intelligent conversation.

The Bible had tons of different authors who would obviously write a biased story. Genesis alone had 5 (I think..) different authors and they were all just smooshed together. It's very convenient for the religious extremists to pick out the quotes that they want. It's a sick little word game.

For instance I can quote Bush as saying: "You know, we want to harm America." He said that during Meet the Press. However, his response was actually something like, "[terrorists think], you know, 'we want to harm America.'"

So, if they quoted Jesus (even then the events were written many years after his death), they wouldn't have as much ground to stand on. Old Testament God was very much fire and wrath, which is the kind of ammunition they want. New Testament God became more benevolent and was seen as "the Holy Father".

This journal entry is fairly interesting and digs deeper into the historical meanings of the Old Testament and things set forth such as not marrying an "outsider." Very well researched. She also posted an entry about Biblical slavery vs. African slavery.

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I applaud your diligence at reading that thread; it is a long one, and there was one almost as long the day before.

I post there as Laura from St. Cloud, and I annoy some of the posters there by refuting them with facts and logic.

I will look at that Journal entry and get back to you.

And I will have one of my daughters show me (again) (I never remember) how to friend you.

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I have to admit that I skipped a lot of the comments and some of the cartoons.

Facts and logic always make people foam at the mouth ;)

I've added you to my friends list as well. Thanks for finding me interesting enough to add! ^_^*

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soulstar.livejournal.com

Oooo - want scarf pics! :-D And that wristband pattern sounds like the one from the Stitch n Bitch book. I haven't tried any intarsia yet, but I don't think it looks toooo hard. Er, I hope *g*

And yes - go Wil!! Damn straight. Grrr!

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Yes! When I have some film I will take pics ^_^

It *is* the one from Stitch N Bitch! XD I sketched it out after work one day, 'cause I'm too broke to buy the book. *hee*

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soulstar.livejournal.com

Hoorah!

Tis an excellent book - if you ever want the Kitty or Devil hat patterns, they're available online at http://www.kittyville.com, too.

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Oh, thanks you! *bookmarks* One day I will learn how to knit in the round *hee*

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soulstar.livejournal.com

Hee, yes, I had a bit of trouble with that to start with. But then I found this guide, which was nice and clear, and helped me sort it out. Hoorah!

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