It's too early for this...
May. 2nd, 2003 11:28 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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"I would like to bring it to all of your attention that fanart is the personal property of the artist. They may do with it as they wish, because it is theirs. Anyone else, however, may not. Taking it and making it into icons, wallpapers, ect. is stealing. I don't care if you did or did not claim it as your own. It is still stealing, especially to the artist you took from. You are taking someone else's hard work and making it into something of your own and giving it away. How would you feel if someone took something that you worked hard on and passed it around and no one knew it was yours? I'm sure you wouldn't like that. Yes, some people might provide links, but some artists don't want their fanart used by anyone at all. I've heard, "Well some art has been passed around so much that the original artist was lost. Why not use it?" That's like asking, "Well everyone else smokes, why shouldn't I?" Thinking like that is why the original artist was forgotten in the first place. A better question is, "Why should you continue the chain?" Please tell me you all know better than to take something that is someone else's? Your parents or your kindergarten teacher must have taught you that stealing is a no-no right? If you would like to use fanart for something, ask the artist. That way everyone is happy. It doesn't matter if it's all right with the community; the community is not the artist. This is about morals and common sense people. I would like to say I have absolutely nothing against any of you. I'm just posting this to everyone in general. People stealing fanart is getting way out of hand these days and I'm getting tired of it. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean anyone can take it. There are such things as copyright laws too, if you didn't know. I'm sorry if I've made anyone mad, but this is ridiculous. This is what I believe and I'm standing beside it. If you think less of me for it, so be it. If you want to read more on the subject click the banner below. The site says it's against reusing Japanese fanart, but it goes for all fanart I believe.
It's a good site. I recommend you take a look, even if you don't use fanart.
Well, I guess that's all for now. I'm betting I'll be getting some flames, but that's okay."
My reply:
I'm not really for or against any of this, but let's play Devil's advocate.
All creative works are copyrighted from the moment they are concieved. Fan artists get pissy when people use their works without asking. However, don't you think that the original artists are going to get pissy if you use their stuff without asking or use it when they tell you not to?
But they're famous, so it happens. Um. Okay, so in that same line of thought, if a fan artist is "famous" it's okay to use their stuff without asking? Yes, there is a difference between the two. Generally, fan artists don't get paid for their work. They feel they've put a lot of work into it, so they don't want people stealing it because, logically, people will not know they did it. Well, the professionals have put in years of schooling and they don't want people taking their stuff either, recognizable or not. When you use their stuff online without permission, you're essentially robbing them of their commission fees and possibly showing their work in a way they don't want.
Don't get me wrong, I use other people's artwork too. But I can admit that I'm too lazy to make my own and if I'm asked to take it down, I'm not going to get mad. If someone steals mine, I'm not going to be too pissed about it if it happens. If I catch you, however, I'll ask for credit; can't really make you give it. Other than that, don't make it look like crap and be on your merry way.
To say that you want to protect fanart, but are allowing original art to be used in all the ways you don't want fanart to be used is stupid and narrowminded. Either you're against use of other people's work or you're not. You cannot allow one group to be manipulated because they are "professional" or "original" but then claim to protect "fanart" copyrights. Fanart in and of itself is often copyright violation.
Flame on.
animeicons:"I would like to bring it to all of your attention that fanart is the personal property of the artist. They may do with it as they wish, because it is theirs. Anyone else, however, may not. Taking it and making it into icons, wallpapers, ect. is stealing. I don't care if you did or did not claim it as your own. It is still stealing, especially to the artist you took from. You are taking someone else's hard work and making it into something of your own and giving it away. How would you feel if someone took something that you worked hard on and passed it around and no one knew it was yours? I'm sure you wouldn't like that. Yes, some people might provide links, but some artists don't want their fanart used by anyone at all. I've heard, "Well some art has been passed around so much that the original artist was lost. Why not use it?" That's like asking, "Well everyone else smokes, why shouldn't I?" Thinking like that is why the original artist was forgotten in the first place. A better question is, "Why should you continue the chain?" Please tell me you all know better than to take something that is someone else's? Your parents or your kindergarten teacher must have taught you that stealing is a no-no right? If you would like to use fanart for something, ask the artist. That way everyone is happy. It doesn't matter if it's all right with the community; the community is not the artist. This is about morals and common sense people. I would like to say I have absolutely nothing against any of you. I'm just posting this to everyone in general. People stealing fanart is getting way out of hand these days and I'm getting tired of it. Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean anyone can take it. There are such things as copyright laws too, if you didn't know. I'm sorry if I've made anyone mad, but this is ridiculous. This is what I believe and I'm standing beside it. If you think less of me for it, so be it. If you want to read more on the subject click the banner below. The site says it's against reusing Japanese fanart, but it goes for all fanart I believe.
It's a good site. I recommend you take a look, even if you don't use fanart.
Well, I guess that's all for now. I'm betting I'll be getting some flames, but that's okay."
My reply:
I'm not really for or against any of this, but let's play Devil's advocate.
All creative works are copyrighted from the moment they are concieved. Fan artists get pissy when people use their works without asking. However, don't you think that the original artists are going to get pissy if you use their stuff without asking or use it when they tell you not to?
But they're famous, so it happens. Um. Okay, so in that same line of thought, if a fan artist is "famous" it's okay to use their stuff without asking? Yes, there is a difference between the two. Generally, fan artists don't get paid for their work. They feel they've put a lot of work into it, so they don't want people stealing it because, logically, people will not know they did it. Well, the professionals have put in years of schooling and they don't want people taking their stuff either, recognizable or not. When you use their stuff online without permission, you're essentially robbing them of their commission fees and possibly showing their work in a way they don't want.
Don't get me wrong, I use other people's artwork too. But I can admit that I'm too lazy to make my own and if I'm asked to take it down, I'm not going to get mad. If someone steals mine, I'm not going to be too pissed about it if it happens. If I catch you, however, I'll ask for credit; can't really make you give it. Other than that, don't make it look like crap and be on your merry way.
To say that you want to protect fanart, but are allowing original art to be used in all the ways you don't want fanart to be used is stupid and narrowminded. Either you're against use of other people's work or you're not. You cannot allow one group to be manipulated because they are "professional" or "original" but then claim to protect "fanart" copyrights. Fanart in and of itself is often copyright violation.
Flame on.
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Uhm....
Date: 2003-05-02 09:37 am (UTC)Yeah, I was snippy this morning.
Date: 2003-05-02 10:02 am (UTC)Anyway, my post was a bit incomplete. There were people at the community replying with things like "it's okay to use original art because who cares? but fanart is copyrighted!" and it pissed me off.
Plus it was loaded with odd sarcasm. ^_^*
Ohhhh now I understand!
Date: 2003-05-02 10:05 am (UTC)Re: Ohhhh now I understand!
Date: 2003-05-02 11:04 am (UTC)Re: Uhm....
Date: 2003-05-02 10:27 am (UTC)What do you think, 'mez? Am I wrong?
Yeah I should have known better...
Date: 2003-05-02 10:34 am (UTC)Re: Yeah I should have known better...
Date: 2003-05-02 11:22 am (UTC)Get some rest... it's good for you. *hug*
Re: Yeah I should have known better...
Date: 2003-05-02 12:10 pm (UTC)Re: Uhm....
Date: 2003-05-02 11:05 am (UTC)Re: Uhm....
Date: 2003-05-02 11:24 am (UTC)*huggles*
no subject
Date: 2003-05-02 10:29 am (UTC)I have noticed that, at least from what I've seen, the big difference is that most people give credit to the professional. I know I always slap on a disclaimer and give credit where credit is due, because it's only right. Even if I'm using someone else's image or character or universe, a fan-based universe, I give them credit, too. But it's when no credit is given, either to professionals or to fans, that I really get pissed off.
I'm rambling now. I just wanted to say that you made a good point.